Speaker 1: Welcome to Organic Sexuality, where we explore the restoration of pleasure, the reclamation of sexual sovereignty, and the realization of our embodied sexual nature. An invitation to honor the pleasures of your body by embodying the pleasures of your nature. I'm your host, Rahi Chan. I'm a certified somatic sex educator, a sexological body worker and creator of somatic sexual Wholeness. Before introducing today's guest, Martin Beaudoin, I wanted to let you know about a special workshop I'm holding space for with Dolly Josette on May 27th and 28th here in Los Angeles, embodied Eros for couples, learn about, explore, and engage your body's 11 erogenous zones and your genitalia pleasure points for health and intimacy with your beloved. If you have questions about this, feel free to email me at Rahi@somaticsexualwholeness.com. And without further adieu, about today's special guest: How can we better attune to and listen for the guidance of the body's pleasure for its own healing? Listening for the answers to this question with his heart, intuition and hands, combined with his deep understanding of how to restore healthy facial lines, realign anatomical structures within the body, and hold a safe space for trauma resolution. Today's guest, Martin Beaudoin shares how he's cultivated unique and effective practices for his wide range of clients and for his trainings.

Rahi: . I'm very excited to invite Martin Beaudointo the podcast today. Um, I've been wanting to have Martin on the podcast for a while, ever since I did his wonderful training in Mexico in December of 21. Um, there were pelvic and sexual healing practices I had not been exposed to in my other trainings. And, uh, I really searched the world for great trainings, and I was so lucky to have discovered his, it's a testament to his hands-on experience, having held space for literally thousands of sessions over the years. And, um, I think also to his natural curiosity and intuition. A little bit about Martin's background. His interest in body work began at a young age, uh, when he was a teenager, uh, drawn to energy work, Swedish massage, reflexology and anatomy. During his career as a linguistics and, and speech pathology university professor, he offered massage on a part-time basis.

Rahi: And today, his work is a very dynamic and unique synergy. Uh, listen to these influences of craniosacral, myofacial, neurokinetic, Chi Nei Tsang, Karsai Nei Tsang, tantra, Thai, and reiki influences all to resolve trauma and any other obstacles in the way of the organic life force to flow throughout the body. He's experienced in Dr. Gabor Mate's Compassionate Inquiry training, and also the father of two grown children. Uh, Martin is currently based in Vancouver, but offers trainings in Europe. There's one coming up in Portugal soon. Uh, I took mine with him in Mexico, and he also is taught in Bali and Thailand. Check out his website,, Beaudoinbodywork.com for his current offerings, and I will have his link in the show notes. Martin, thank you so much for joining us today.

Martin: Thank you, Rahi. It's an honor to, uh, uh, interview here with you.

Rahi: Oh, I'm so glad. I'm so glad you're here. For our audiences, you know, some of the practices that I was referring to that were specific to your training that I hadn't been exposed to before, for example, were, uh, the discovery and the really important anatomical area of the K-spot, uh, or Theile stripping. But before we get into those, I tthought a good jumping off point would be to ask you, Martin, looking back now on your journey, um, of how you've combined and synergized these different approaches to your work. Can you share the pivotal experiences that have really informed your approach and understanding to resolving issues in the pelvis and the body?

Martin: Hmm, great question. Um, there's many aspects. Um, when I started to, when I left the university, and, uh, I, I really wanted to, uh, make a difference for women's health. Uh, I really wanted to specialize in, uh, in body work for women, because of course, uh, men and women have similar organs, similar bodies, but the, the way you, you work with men and women physically, uh, even from a massage therapy perspective is slightly different because some muscles don't attach the same way, but also men and women use their bodies differently. Mm-hmm. for cultural reasons, for, uh, uh, because of, uh, procreation that is different. And so, initially I was, uh, I had no inkling on, uh, working genitally or, uh, even on the pelvis specifically, because I wanted to, uh, I didn't even, I was not aware that it was, uh, uh, a big need.

Martin: And then as I was working with women, I realized that almost every woman I worked with had gynecological issues or sexual issues that were completely unaddressed by the medical system. Mm-hmm. . And so that was a big root awakening, um, because I trusted that, uh, gynecology and, uh, urology where treating our women well mm-hmm. , but that's not the case. Mm-hmm. . And so that's the first big awakening. Um, and so I started to work with, uh, ental neuralgia and continents, uh, prolapse, uh, uterine prolapse initially mostly, and different things like that. And gradually, uh, , one day, one of my client told me, what is wrong with my pleasure, Martin, you've been avoiding, I've been experiencing pleasure, and every time I experience pleasure, you move away to a different point. Mm. And what's wrong with my pleasure? Why should I be ashamed of my pleasure?

Martin: And, uh, she was teasing me, of course. Uh, but, uh, it made me realize that it's true that in body work, in massage therapy, we, whenever we work with the body, if there's pleasure, we shy away from it very often. Mm-hmm. mm-hmm. , uh, most jurisdictions do not allow pleasure. And really, it's, it's, it's completely stupid. It's like, uh, giving, uh, culinary experience, going to a restaurant and telling people, please don't enjoy, you know? Mm-hmm. , if you enjoy, we'll have to give you something bad. Uh, do you want vinegar with your, with your soup? You know? And then when I started to accept, uh, people's pleasure as a normal experience, not something that I would push, it's something that would come naturally. Sometimes I realized that it brought huge openings in the body. Mm-hmm. , it moved organs, it, uh, released blood flow.

Martin: Mm-hmm. , it released nerves. And so I started to open up to exploring those. And I mean, I'm, I still have a, uh, researcher's brain. Mm-hmm. And so I started to experience and research and expand, uh, talking to, uh, uh, different, uh, tantrikas. So I enrolled, uh, a group of, uh, probably about 20 different tantrikas, and told them, listen, I'm gonna give you free body work in exchange. You guide me to the most potent, uh, pleasure you can experience, and with my hands. And, um, uh, and then we've explored and we've uncovered points that some of them had read about but had never experienced and and so on. And it gradually, I was able to map out, uh, the points, but also to map out the impact of those points. Mm-hmm. , uh, and I realized for example, that, uh, some of the pleasure points influence hormone levels, uh, some of the pleasure points, uh, eliminate cysts, for example. And, uh, other points will move the uterus up and down in a resilient way, in a, uh, a sustainable way. So I, and, and those are some of the techniques that I've developed, uh, over the years.

Rahi: Mm-hmm.

Martin: Mm-hmm. . So those were the two most, uh, pivotal points in terms of techniques. Then there's all the, uh, there was a lot of work, uh, or a lot of awakening about the, uh, the impact and the importance of trauma on the body. Mm-hmm. , but that was more long term. That was not as much, uh, specific moments.

Rahi: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , yeah. You know, that really stood out. I mean, one, it doesn't surprise me to learn that you were looking at the whole body first, because in the training, there is such an emphasis on, um, the role that fasha plays in resolving issues. The interconnectedness of all the fasha, like the emphasis on the deep front line is, is something in particular that, that stood out for me. And then it makes sense to me that the more you worked on bodies, the more you realized how Yeah, our whole medical industry really is so neglectful of, um, female health. And specifically around sexuality. One of my best friends is an, uh, an ob G Y N and she says, you know, pleasure is not taught in their training. It's all about hysterectomies and, and delivering babies. The other thing that stood out, Martin, is exactly what you're speaking to, is how much of your training included pleasure as a methodology for, uh, resolving issues. Um, I just love how matter of fact you are, I remember you, you sharing about, uh, uterine prolapses and how stimulating the clitoris, uh, engages the, the cremastoror the iliacus muscle. And it's just a very practical way of resolving a prolapse. I think one of the questions that would come up for listeners is, uh, the issue around a practitioner working involving arousal and pleasure with the client and the boundaries involved. So if you could speak to that please. Cuz I think it would be on people's minds,

Martin: Of course, it's very important to have a serious discussion with the client, um, on what they want to experience, what they're, um, open to. Um, and really to, to explore, uh, their boundaries. But really to have the, the boundaries have to be set by them initially. Really, that's the, the most important part. So, um, uh, I always have a discussion at the beginning of sessions, if, especially with new clients, we will always discuss about, uh, their history, uh, physically, their social history, their family history, their, their sexual history, and, uh, see where they're at at the moment. It really depends on the person. And sometimes before we, we can go on, uh, working, for example, uh, on the uterine prolapse with pleasure, we need to do a lot of, uh, back work. We, we might need two, three sessions of, uh, trauma work or of, uh, building the, uh, really the confidence in the person that they can, because a lot of people, uh, have, um, an orgasm.

Martin: So there, there's many, many things that, uh, needs to be built, and it really comes from the person's history. And then it's a discussion with the person, uh, to really uncover their own boundaries. And we only do what their, what their body and what their, their heart tells them. Mm-hmm. , if they're not comfortable with the procedure, we don't do it. Of course. And also another thing that is, uh, important is that I very often involve the, uh, the partner in the, uh, therapy. For example, if, uh, a procedure, um, if a procedure involves, um, body work that will eventually, uh, necessitate pleasure, what I'll do is that I'll ask the partner to be there, and I do the body work. So I'll do, for example, I'll work with the nerves or with the, the, the, the fascia. And, uh, when time comes to bring pleasure, I essentially, uh, , I give, uh, uh mm-hmm.

Martin: my place to the partner, and the partner does the pleasure as I'm leaving and they do whatever they want. I give them all the instructions before. And usually what they'll do is that they'll start, they'll do the procedure. If the procedure involves pleasure, they, they do that form of pleasure. And if they want to expand into their own sexuality, they, they can, but they don't have to. It's really, or, and sometimes they ask me to stay in the living room while they're working in the massage room or, or something like that. Sometimes they ask me to be there because they need guidance, because some of the pleasures are quite technical, uh, and some of the couples are okay with that. So it's really their choice. I would say. Uh, the, the situation with probably half of my clients, um, is that I'll do some of the body work and the partner does the pleasure work in other situations. The, uh, the partner and the, uh, and the client is totally open to me doing pleasure work. You have to remember that the pleasure work is very aimed. Uh, it's really aimed at something very specific, bringing a sexual process to, to move an organ or to mm-hmm. to release

Rahi: Let flow. Yeah. Yes.

Martin: Yeah,

Rahi: Exactly. I mean, it's, it's really u being used as a tool as, as you pointed out, to move organs to increase blood flow, to resolve nerve, uh, uh, pinching or, and so I want to get to one of these points. Um, it's fascinating to me because the, the K-spot, uh, the kundalini spot is not a spot I had come across in any of my other trainings. And, um, it, it has such practical functions. I mean, not only does it increase the body's natural production of pr, progesterone, um, it can be used to resolve, uh, symptoms of endometriosis. As I learned in your training, it can lubricate the anal sphincter. Tell me, were you, I'm fascinated with this data research you did with the 20 tantrikas. Can you share how you came across the K-spot and why? Isn't it, it's not that well known. It seems out there amongst the Tantra trainings and the sacred sexuality trainings.

Martin: Yeah. And it's a pity, uh, because it's such a powerful, uh, 0.0. Um, the main person who brought me, uh, to that point as a pleasure point, is a Tantirika, uh, tantra teacher from, uh, Portugal, Isabelle, uh, who, um, who said that she had read about it, but had never experienced it. And she brought a student of hers to observe the, uh, the experience. When we did the, uh, the session, it took probably close to an hour of only stimulating the K-spot. Uh, and she had this wave of pleasure. Her body lifted off the ground completely, and she went into something that, to us looked like a com. I see. And so we took her pulse for the first probably 15, 20 minutes. Every five minutes we would take her pulse because we were afraid that she was dying or had having a heart attack.

Martin: Yeah. And, um, and at some point she raised her thumb, so we understood that she was okay, but she couldn't talk and move for a good, uh, 45 minutes. So that was the first experience with the, uh, the case bot. And we, we started to, I started to experience that with other, uh, clients and similar experiences happened. But what I observed with the case bot, at some point, I had a client who had my, a major cysts, uh, ovarian cyst. She had a eight centimeter cyst, and a five centimeter cyst on the other side. Those are major systems. She was going to, uh, undergo surgery in the weeks that followed. Mm-hmm. So she asked me to do three sessions. One of the first thing I asked her is, how is your sexuality? And she said, well, my, my, my partner is an amazing pantry practitioner.

Martin: And, uh, but we've come to have very boring sex. And, uh, she was very frustrated, not with the frequency, but with the variety. And so, uh, I said, well, why don't we try to address first the frustration and second try to bring you new pleasures and, uh, at the same time. And so I, and she didn't, uh, she said, yeah, sure. So she told me what she was, uh, accustomed to with her partner. And, uh, he had never touched the, uh, the, the case part. Of course, like most people, cuz it's quite, uh, it's a little bit in the back. Uh, yeah. It's, so we did that and she absolutely loved it and had a wave of pleasure, and their pleasures were increasing. And we would do like three hours in a row of those orgasms. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We did three sessions, but every, at the end of every session, we would notice major changes on her belly.

Martin: The first day we could see her cysts when she was laying down, we could see both Cys at the end of the first day we couldn't see them, and we could palpate them, but we couldn't see them. And then second day, we couldn't palpate them or see them, of course. And at the end of the third day, she felt like completely energized and rejuvenated. A bit tired, of course, after three sessions of three hours of orgasms. But, um, she went, uh, she went home, uh, they flew back, uh, home. Um, she went, uh, for surgery three days after they did an ultrasound to check the, the status mm-hmm. because she said something's changed. And, uh mm-hmm. , they did an ultrasound. They could not even find where the cysts were initially. Wow. Uh, there was nothing, no, no traces of the cyst in nine hours of pleasure.

Martin: And so, and she called me and she was, uh, completely baffled. And the, the doctor was baffled, but didn't believe what ha what she had done, just thought the result on their own. They might have burst or something. They couldn't find anything. Uh, I start to explore, and of course the universe being so generous, uh, I had a whole bunch of people with ovarian cysts following that, and it worked with everybody. Amazing. I've had sessions with people with whom, uh, for example, for, uh, people who didn't want to go into orgasm, but were open to some level of pleasure. And so we would do slow buildup of pleasure mm-hmm. , and when they were come to pleasure, I would just, uh, we would stop back and, uh, let them rest. Mm-hmm. . And, uh, even in those cases, there was some resolve, not as effective mm-hmm. , but it, uh, it did help. Mm-hmm. , uh, so that's how mm-hmm. , I found out.

Rahi: That's so amazing. Okay. So for listeners, the K-spot is on the floor of the vaginal canal. If one is lying on their back between the perennial sponge and the posterior fornix, um, there's a little dip there. And, um, it's just right up center of the rectum. Uh, and Martin, in your training, you had shared that in about 90% of bodies you've worked with, it's just right of center and about 10% it's left of center. Is that accurate? Yeah.

Martin: Yeah. It, it's, it just depends on the, uh, position of the rectum really, because the, uh, the case spot when you work only it's throughout the whole width mm-hmm. , but it's more, um, in, in, for most women, it's more pleasurable when it's accessed through the vagina for some reasons. Mm-hmm. , uh, men also have a case bot mm-hmm. . Um, and in my experience, uh, I mean, I have some clients who say that they do experience pure pleasure with, uh, the case bot male, uh, clients in the past mm-hmm. . But for most men, it doesn't really bring pleasure, but it, it, it can be used to lengthen the pleasure, for example, if you're getting, uh, pleasure and, uh, like, uh, genital stimulation as a man. And at the same time someone stimulates the prostate when the orgasm come, if you turn your finger and massage just below the, the coxy essentially is the place where the case pot is. Um, you will lengthen the, the orgasm by a lot, like by tenfold. That's worth noting for me. Yeah.

Rahi: So then just to note on that, Martin ergonomically, um, if the massage, if the prostate is being stimulated, then the finger needs to turn the other way towards the Yes, exactly. The, yeah. Um, so there needs to be enough lube for the finger to, to turn fully the other way. That is, yeah. Fantastic. You know, the experience, I mean, since your training, uh, you know, I've been introducing the K spot and clients have been really fascinated. Um, most people have not had, don't even know it exists, much less have had it palpated. What's very common in my experience is that first they've, they, they sense something, but they'll be like, oh, yeah, there's something there. It feels kind of weird. But then within a matter of minutes, it'll start to evolve into more pleasurable sensation. And then, you know, as you shared in, in your training, it's an area, it's fascinating because the more it's palpated more, it will elicit pleasure.

Martin: Yes. Uh, absolutely. Um, it's also, um, it's a point that personally I stimulate, uh, initially at the same time as the clitoris mm-hmm. so that because the brain doesn't distinguish where in the pelvis it get. Right. It's getting pleasure. And so, uh, because most pleasure comes from a combination of, uh, punal nerve main, mainly with a little bit of the genital femoral and, uh, sometimes the vegus nerve mm-hmm. . Um, and so the, uh, the pleasure is not a distinct, uh, it's very difficult for the brain to know where the pleasure comes from. Initial initially.

Rahi: Yeah.

Martin: Yes, exactly. So you stimulate both at first, and then you release the, the, uh, slowly you release the cli and maintain just the case bot, for example. You can continue with both, but, uh, right. If you want to really activate the, the case bot, eventually you, you want to stimulate it alone. And another aspect that really helps, uh, activating any of those points is to blow warm air on the genitals.

Rahi: Mm-hmm.

Martin: . Um, so opening your mouth fairly warm, uh, fairly wide and blowing air with a mouth open, uh, very close to the genitals that, that sends pheromones to the vulva that will help your, the body of the, the recipient mm-hmm. to produce oxytocin. Mm-hmm. . And, uh, oxytocin allows, um, the, uh, the vagus nerve to be more, uh, activated for pleasure. Mm-hmm. , uh, cause it brings it into parasympathetic mm-hmm. . And then, uh, gradually the, uh, uh, the punal nerve is also more sensitive.

Rahi: Mm-hmm. mm-hmm. . But Martin, so just to be clear, um, I remember, I remember you teaching that and, and, um, I, it, you know, it does have an effect in, in my experience with clients who are comfortable having warm air, uh, blown. Uh, and I've been focusing on focusing the warm air on their clitoral, uh, area. But that would, that would, uh, have a similar response when the cervix is being stimulated as well. Now.

Martin: Yes. It's, I mean, for the cervix, it's almost critical to have, uh, oxytocin, high oxytocin in the body. Uh, as a practitioner, I don't have, um, I mean, I usually don't bring fuzzy feelings to my clients. Uh, I don't have, um, a personal connection or a sexual connection with them mm-hmm. . And so, uh, and I mean, it's, uh, it's, this is an important part of having a therapeutic relationship with them. But to bring oxytocin up in their body, uh, there's two or three different ways to, uh, there's actually many ways to, to, to bring the, the oxytocin up. And, uh, so yes, uh, blowing warm air on the genitals is one blowing warm air on the, uh, anal area or on the breast will also do mm-hmm. mm-hmm. less effective on the breast, but it still has some impact. Mm-hmm. , um, within partners, um, of course they have access to the breath, but they can also have oral sex mm-hmm. , so they can lick the, uh, nipples, they can kiss the mouth, they can, uh, lick the genitals or, or, or lick the, uh, uh, the anus. And that brings even more pheromones. But as a practitioner, uh, we don't do that that commonly. So, uh, the breath is a very good way to increase the pheromone if the person is open to it. Of course.

Rahi: Yeah. Terrific. So, um, before we leave the case spot, I feel like we've been massaging the case spot for a little while here. Um, how did you discover, or how did you learn, come to learn? Maybe it was with the 20 tokas that, um, palpating the case spot produce, uh, stimulates the body's natural production of more pres, uh, progesterone.

Martin: That's experience. Um, because as I was using the, um, the case spot for cysts, uh, for example, um, and, uh, also, uh, for some women, the, um, I have some clients who will come, for example, and say that they, they want to expand their, uh, sensations. They want to feel more of their vagina as we, uh, as we would uncover different points from session to session, they would, uh, they would say, well, this change in my body, my breasts are changing. Um, the, and things like that. And so by observing, uh, I've mm-hmm. come to, to observe really systematic changes. For example, the case pot in general, in my observations, seem to increase progesterone. Mm-hmm. , it seems also to clear, uh, it brings blood flow to the ovaries and the, the, uh, uterine tubes or fallopian tubes. Um, for example, uh, some women will have congestion in the fallopian tubes, uh, or even blockages and with the stimulation of the case, but we've been able to clear some of those mm-hmm.

Martin: Uh, congestion, um, and that, so that, that helps quite a bit. Mm-hmm. But we know that if you stimulate the case, but on a regular basis, the progesterone in the body will increase in general. So the estrogen, progesterone, um, um, uh, balance will change. And because we have in our society, uh, a very high incidence of estrogen dominance, which is dangerous for the body, uh, I've used the case pot many times with people with, uh, very high estrogen, low progesterone to bring the balance up. And it's quite fast, uh, two, three sessions. And generally the, uh, the, the balance will change. You will see, for example, the redness in the cheeks of the person, uh mm-hmm. , and the cheeks will become more puffy. The breasts will become more round, very often mm-hmm. mm-hmm. . Um, and, uh, so that helps of course, in terms of, uh, estrogen dominance, estrogen, progesterone dominance.

Martin: Another thing that is critical is to make sure that the body eliminates the, the estrogen property. And so it's always important to make sure that the person has a healthy liver. Um, and so I work a lot with, um, massaging the liver to cleanse the liver, but also sometimes I will, um, guide them to, uh, liver detox or have them work with, uh, a naturopath to, uh, cleanse their liver. Uh, so the liver eliminate estrogen and the, uh, the guts will reabsorb some of the building blocks to create progesterone from what used to be estrogen mm-hmm. mm-hmm. . And so, uh, yeah. And another point that is important in estrogen, uh, dominance, is also making sure that the stress level is reduced as much as possible mm-hmm. , um, because otherwise the building blocks to create the progesterone will be reabsorbed to create other, or hormones if there's too much cortisol in the body. The third components of general rebalancing procedures mm-hmm.

Rahi: mm-hmm. , when you said earlier that, you know, two or three sessions will, can balance an imbalance between, uh, increasing the progesterone production in the body after two or three sessions, does the body, does the client need to self stimulate, continue to self-massage the case spot? Or does it, does that two or three sessions kind of balance it for an unforeseeable while?

Martin: Well, hormonal imbalance are long-term issues mm-hmm. , and so it's, I see it more as a kicking start, but they often need to change their diet, uh, because a lot of our diet includes too much testosterone builders, too much estrogen builders mm-hmm. also, a lot of people have, uh, liver functions that are too low. So we need to work with that. Plus, uh, there is a lot of, uh, phytoestrogen, uh, and, um, uh, xeno estrogen in, uh, in food and in, um, chemical products from mm-hmm. shampoo from soap and all of those. So there needs to be a, a life change, a lifestyle change, uh, combined with that. And, uh, normally it's good to, uh, it's good enough to to to start the process. Honestly, though, one thing that emerges most of the time is that once they've discovered the case, but they don't wanna leave it, they'll Right, right. Uh, integrate it in their, uh, sexual practices because it, it is a very pleasant, uh, point.

Rahi: Oh, it's amazing. And I, you know, it's not so far deep in where, I mean, I have a client in Connecticut where after introducing it to her, she, she was able to self-massage it with her thumb. Yes. So it's not so far back that you can't massage it on your own as well.

Martin: Yes, absolutely. But

Rahi: I think, I think the key is really, you know, one to discover it and then bring it online and, and, and once it's online, you're kind of, kind of off to the races.

Martin: Yeah, absolutely. Um, it's, the activation of the point can be done by yourself, of course. Mm-hmm. , uh, by, by people themselves. Um, but it's often best to done by someone who really knows where the point is and Right. Is moving the energy at the same time and all of that. Mm-hmm. , uh, it's always good to work with a practitioner or with a partner who's really, uh, who has researched it mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I mean, as you know, our job is often to, to, uh, to train partners, to pleasure their, uh, uh, to, to offer proper pleasures.

Rahi: But, you know, on that note, Martin, you know, like part, you know, yes, definitely it's great for partners to, uh, do their research, but I have never come across the case spot in any, like, you know, research. I mean, have you, have you come across, it's, it's kind of like this amazing treasure that's not really known about?

Martin: Yeah. Well, it's, it's like if we completely neglect the, what anatomically is called the posterior part of the vagina, when the, when a woman is laying, uh, down on her back mm-hmm. , it's the, the bottom part that's completely neglected in most sexuality and most tantric massages. And it's sad because why neglect that H area and, uh, you know, there's a lot of pleasure, uh, everywhere in the vagina, you know, even just, uh, just closer to the, uh, opening of the vagina. So you have the case spot on, mostly on the right, but sometimes on the left as well. But if you come to the center right on the middle of the rectum, just a little bit, uh, close, closer to the opening, there's another point there that can be very pleasurable. Um, yes. Uh, my students call it the M spot because I'm uncovered it. Yes, yes. But, uh, really, uh, I, I mean, I, you know, it's like Chris, uh, Christopher Columbus, he, he mm-hmm. , he just, uh, uh, rediscovered something that has always been there, you know? Right. Uh, I didn't make that point. It's there. Um, but there's a point there that brings, um, in my experience, it brings joy. It's a very joyful pleasure. Um, not always available to everybody, but if you cultivate it, it's a beautiful pleasure. Mm-hmm. , it's not on my pleasure chart, but it should be.

Rahi: Well, I mean, I love the word you use cultivate, because that's really what it calls for. I mean, all of these areas, you know, it's like, you know, people go to the gym and they work out their muscles, but they don't work out the, you know, these anatomical regions with in Intravaginally or even intra anally, you know, for, for men, for owners. And it's all, all kind of waiting, waiting to be discovered. Absolutely. And

Martin: Even for women, there's a lot of pleasure to be had. Emily. Um, yes, I do discovery sessions sometimes with women, uh, to awaken the, the, uh, rectal points. There's many points in the rectum. First in the rectum, uh, from, uh, inal work, you have access to the G-spot, the apo, the cervix, and the kpo. Yeah. But you also have access to other points, other, uh, pleasure points, uh, on theca, uh, that are potentially very orgasmic.

Rahi: Wonderful. Wonderful. Um, so, you know, the other, the other thing I wanted to touch on, because I feel like it, it's such an easy way to release tension in the pelvic floor, was, um, the field stripping, so specifically releasing tension and massaging the pubic, the ioc, the Cox, and the operator in internist, I mean, I know the term, the stripping, I think you explained it was actually, uh, applied on, on, on men's bodies way back when, and then someone kind of rediscovered it. Um, how did you come across, uh, the stripping and it, it is, it has such, like, I can't imagine anybody not benefiting from the release of tension in, in the pelvic bowl. I'm curious, faran, how you came across it and how, like I, I'm guessing you, because everybody benefits e every si session involves the, the theo stripping

Martin: Pretty much. Yeah. Mo almost all, uh, I, I almost always do it if I do internal work, either from the vagina or the, the inus. I almost always do, uh, uh, the stripping. There's, um, two other techniques used, uh, by, um, pelvic floor specialists or a physiotherapist to release the pelvic floor muscles. There's also, uh, trigger point release, which is, uh, essentially pressing on three different points. Uh, the, the interesting thing is that those points were discovered by, uh, thiel, um, the, uh, Charles Steel, the, the man who also the, uh, developed the, uh, thal stripping mm-hmm. . And, um, so Thal one, teal two two T L three are the, uh, original names. And then they were changed, uh, when people started to develop the, uh, um, the trigger point, uh, techniques. Then there's also, uh, p pulsations that can be done in on those points to release those muscles.

Martin: My, when I started to do pelvic work, uh, I researched and found those techniques, uh, and, uh, the results that I observed was that very often my clients would get cramps after a single point press or a trigger point release. Uh, they would get cramps the day after, and then they wouldn't come back. Mm-hmm. . And so I researched and found a protocol that exi that is common on the, uh, in modern physiotherapy called the Stanford Protocol, or the, uh, Gail Anderson, uh, protocol, which is a, a, a protocol that is described to have been discovered by two researchers from Stanford. And if actually you, you read their research, uh, they took, they inspired their work from the work of Charles Steels in the thirties. So these two, uh, researchers from Stanford, uh, took a protocol from, uh, Charles Field who was, that was, uh, developed for anal work, uh, in the thirties.

Martin: And, uh, they adapted it for men and women, uh, either only or vaginally mm-hmm. . And, uh, they, uh, they copyrighted it. And, uh, the only way you can use it is if you train with them directly or with somebody who has been trained with them. And so what I did is that I went, I found the article by Charles th, which was very difficult to find, and did my own adaptation. And, uh, I put it on the internet, and, uh, one of the, someone from Stanford wrote me at some point and said, uh, you can't do that. That's professional secret. And I said, no, it's Charles, the says that exactly, exactly, has been dead for more than 50 years, so I can do it Uhhuh , and, uh, I'm not taking your work. And, uh, he also said that it was dangerous because people could heal themselves, and that's very dangerous for, for people's, uh, revenues, but it's not bad for people's health.

Martin: And so I've put the protocol on Facebook a few years ago, and I mean, I, I can repost it anytime because I think it should be common knowledge. Sure. Um, but I, the adaptation I made is a little bit deeper than what they did because I cover more muscles because mm-hmm. my, in my experience, uh, we, you need to release as much of the pelvic floor as possible because most of the muscles, the fascia, the, the ligaments work together. One thing that these, the, that the Stanford protocol neglects is that there are fascia lines within the pelvis that need to balance. There's two fascial lines that are one over the other. Uh, I don't wanna g get into too much details here because it's a bit technical and, and people can get lost, but those need to be balanced. And so that's why, uh, I sort of expanded the teal, the original teal technique to, uh, cover all the fascia inside the, the vagina or the inness mm-hmm. . Um, so the technique that I teach is a little bit, uh, broader mm-hmm. , but it's, it has also more impact on the body. And, and I think that that's, that's why my work is, is so effective. It's because mm-hmm. , it covers more than just the, uh, the cigs or just the pubic cigs mm-hmm. , because it traditionally in most, uh, jurisdiction, physiotherapists are trained to only release what is perceived as tense, but Right. Um, you know,

Rahi: You don't rebalance the whole pelvis.

Martin: Exactly. Because what is lax is as important, is as what is tense. And so you need to work with all the tissue to reestablish balance. Uh, what they, what is missed here is that, uh, you need to bring balance in the whole area.

Rahi: I mean, it's such a simple way to, um, release tension in, in the, in the pelvic bowl. I kind of, you know, wish everyone knew because it feels like it's very accessible. Um, the, the other thing I wanted to, um, I wanted to ask you, Martin, like given the thousands of sessions you've given, I mean, I can hear just in how methodical you are in answering my questions, the kind of researcher you are in, you know, developing these methods. Um, I wanted to ask you about the most common unaddressed issues in that you see.

Martin: Oh, the most common one is incontinence. 50 50% of women at 50 have incontinence. 40. At 40, and 20% of women at the age of 20 have incontinence. Um, I, if you look at, uh, gymnasts, for example, a very, very high proportion of gymnasts have incontinence, and they're told it's normal because you're jumping, it's gonna, you're gonna drop some, some, some urine. This is not the case. If you do release the pelvic floor muscle, it doesn't happen. So incontinence, urinary incontinence is the most frequent one. Um, and I almost every form of urinary urinary incontinence and, um, interstitial cystitis can be eliminated in two or three sessions in my experience. Mm-hmm. , almost a hundred percent. Mm-hmm. , another one that is very common is menstrual cramps. Right. You will probably never eliminate a hundred percent because there's many aspects. I mean, it can go with your diet, it can go with stress in your life, sex, absence of sex, et cetera.

Martin: There's many factors in menstrual cramps, also tension in, uh, sos [inaudible]. There's many issues, but we can reduce or eliminate most cases of menstrual cramps. And the third one, which is probably the one that is dearest to my heart, is, um, the, uh, uh, the retro version of the uterus or tilted uterus, which is extremely common. Uh, 30% of women in our society have retroed, UREs and retroed UREs. Uh, even if it's not expressed in those terms, you can ask your, uh, ob g t uh, friend. Um, um, the, uh, most people who have retroverted UREs are, have higher risk of having miscarriage five times more. Uh, if you look at old research, it's about five times more because of the incidence of, uh, I V F. Uh, those research has been, have been hidden for the most part, are, uh, downplayed because, uh, they have much more, they make a lot of money with, uh, ivf mm-hmm.

Martin: , uh, but just moving the ure from a retroverted to a normal position reduces the, uh, the chance of, uh, miscarriage by a lot. And the woman will feel much better, we'll have less menstrual cramps, less, uh, abundant bleeding, et cetera, et cetera. Mm-hmm. and those, uh, moving the uric takes five to to 15 minutes. It's good to rest after, but really, it's a procedure that can be done with clothes on. It's very simple to do and should be done, uh, um, really mm-hmm. , uh, generously because it's something that should be healed. Right. Even you can do that even at teenage and mm-hmm. , then it's done for the life. It doesn't move back. In most cases, if it moves back, it's because there's an imbalance in the fascia, and that can be addressed again externally very easily. Mm-hmm. . So, um, yeah, it's good to consult somebody if, if you have incontinence, uh, um, um, you know, uh, bladder prolapse or, uh, anything like that. Uh, but also if you have a tilted UREs, if you have had, uh, miscarriages, most of the time we can prevent further, uh, miscarriages by just moving the URIs in a very simple way.

Rahi: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And all of these were covered in, um, the 11 day training. Um, you have a training coming up in Portugal. Is it the same 11 day training?

Martin: Yeah, it's, uh, well, it's six weeks of online, uh, training, uh, right, uh, at your own pace, uh, before the training to cover, to discuss all the issues. Then we have, uh, it's actually 10 days of training, but, uh, 12 days now because we have two days of break, and then people can submit, uh, case studies where I, uh, give them feedback and they can learn from the feedback.

Rahi: Do you have other training scheduled for the year?

Martin: Yes. We have a training, uh, uh, scheduled for Bali, uh, in Indonesia in, uh, at the end of August, August 27th to September 7th. And also, uh, we probably will have another one in Portland in, at the beginning of 24, I think.

Rahi: Awesome. Awesome. So, um, if you wanna visit Martin's website where he's got all of his offerings and a detailed explanation of the trainings and his work, please go to BWA bodywork, that's B E A U D O I N bodywork.com, and there'll be a link in the show notes as well. And for the next year, at least, Martin, you're, you're gonna be in, in Vancouver for, for a lot of the year, is that correct?

Martin: Yes. Most of the time I am in Vancouver. Uh, I, of course, I offer, uh, private sessions or se sessions for couples, but also I'm always open to private training. Yeah.

Rahi: I, you know, I must also say, Martin, like when I first reached out to you, you were so open about trying to, you know, either do a private training with me, you know, being, being a male, um, and making it work. And I really appreciated your flexibility and, you know, really your service and wanting to train people who are willing to learn. Martin, thank you so much for, you know, really your curious mind and your intuitive, like attunement and all of kind of your kind of research minded approach, because I feel like there's so many, uh, approaches that are just serving so many people, and I have been grateful to learn from you. Um, so thank you so much for being who you are.

Martin: Thank you. Thank you for, uh, also, it was an honor to have you in my training and to do this interview with you. Um, it's, it's very rare to have, um, uh, the opportunity to, uh, to work with, uh, uh, practitioner with as much integrity as you do, uh, rahi. And so it was really, uh, never a problem to integrate you in the training. The, the, there's many reasons why I don't integrate men more often in my training. Of course, there's some, there's a, a matter of integrity with some men that I, I, unless I know them very well. But the, the problem is sometimes, um, in terms of practicalities, it's difficult to integrate a man because you cannot receive all of the procedures of course. And, uh, so it makes things a bit complicated. But in your case, it was so natural because you're so, uh, open-minded. And so, uh, you know, you were very, uh, open to work, giving the work and observing and, and participating in different ways. So it was really, uh, a pleasure to have you with in our training.

Rahi: Well, I really loved it, and, uh, it was such a great time on so many levels. Um, yeah. So Martin, I look forward to seeing you when I, when I get to see you next, maybe at the next advanced training. And, um, in the meantime for our audience members, you can, uh, find him at his website and, uh, the links will be in the show notes. Thanks so much, Martin.

Martin: Thanks so much. Rocky.

Speaker 1: How is this episode landing in your body right now? Is there pleasure that wants to be explored? And how might this be healing for your body? Are there ways you might incorporate space and time into your daily schedule for more embodied pleasure practices? Are you familiar with the anatomical pleasure points of your genitalia? How they feel and the role they serve in maintaining a healthy and happy pelvic ball? A link to Martin's website, oi bodywork.com. B E A U D O I n bodywork is in the show notes. And if learning about and exploring your body's 11 ous stones and your genitalia pleasure points with your spouse or lover is of interest to you, feel free to email me at rahi somatic sexual wholeness.com about embodied Ross the couple's workshop I'll be offering with Dolly Cho, set on May 27 and 28th here in Los Angeles. And until next time, take good care.