How Karsai Restores Blood, Qi, and Energy Flow to the Genitalia Naturally.  

 

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 In today's episode, we explore the ancient practice of Noad, also called Sang and Abdominal Detox Massage. Also called Xang with one of the most experienced practitioners of these arts. K ta Bunum Kki shares the importance of restoring and nourishing centen. Line 10, the energy meridian of the body, which restores the natural Q blood and energy flow into the genitalia, which can resolve a wide range of issues such as a lack of lubrication.

Proper engorgement of the labia and clitoris and fertility issues in vulva owners and erection challenges, ejaculation issues, and low libido in penis owners. At the end of the episode, we discuss ways to engage and open the send line 10 with self massage.

So today I am very pleased to be inviting one of my teachers who I met in Thailand in the north. She runs the Loy Crow traditional massage, Thai yoga and massage school in Chiang Mai. Okay. And I specifically sought her out because she's one of the most experienced practitioners in these ancient Daoist arts.

The abdominal Organ detox massage also called Chines song in some circles, and the Noad sci also sometimes called sci na song. Kooky. Thank you so much for joining us today. Hi. Thank you to you too, Rahi. Yes, of course. So Kki is in France at the moment. I really appreciate she joining us.

So Kki, I wanna start by asking, you've had such an interesting life's journey. Of healing and being exposed to healing way back from your grandmother's sister who was the midwife in the town you grew up in and assisting and witnessing the work that she did, delivering babies all the way up to founding and being the lead instructor at your school.

I'd like to ask you what were some of the most. Influential or important experiences that shaped your journey as a teacher and as a practitioner. Thank you. I hope I can answer. Your question. Yes. Time massage, teacher or practitioner, for. A long times. And I wanted to deeper yes to the root of the sense lines, the traditional time aside.

We have, sense lines that the naval. But each time I, we don't practice so much in this area, in them. Abdominal area or the stomach area since line number 10 be called it. Connect to your sexual organs and to your lower ado. Yes, and I find, or, and North.

It's really work and deeper and unblock this area. Yeah. Which is time massage. Don't touch this area really. So you were, it sounds like you were really interested in engaging that line 10 that goes from the navel to the pubic bone. Yeah. So in acupuncture and acupressure, it's called different things, the sea of intimacy, it, but it really stimulates the energy and blood into the genitalia and really the whole pelvis.

Yes. So you were saying time massage does not engage in that line from the navel to the pubic bone. And you were interested in really. Nourishing and healing the blood flow into the pelvis. So you sought out the abdominal detox and no cari the time size in my generation, it may be practiced in the.

Old generation, but in my generation, they avoid massaging this area. It's example in WaPo they are working in the temple. So in this area is they teach us the theory, the energy lines, how. White star to the navel, to the pre week and so on. But practically they don't teach, oh, really? I see. Or if you ever receive time massage, what they do, they just. Hard walk and stop on the groins. Yes. And then they stop their return and they just thought, wow, they must hide the stomach, but not really deep as the SAI work or the abdominal work, yeah. Yeah. And that line is just so vital.

It's like the main line to make sure there's healthy energy and blood flow going into the penis and the clitoris and the. Really the tissues that make up the genitalia. Yes. And this area very important to clear and many people, have blockages in this area. And we are avoid to, yeah. Massage and. Also the important that myself, I had a hernia operations on my navel. And between the pelvic bone and the navel. Yes. So I had an operation at a young age. And I thought the, and it really. Helped me. It really helped me. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. So there was both an interest as a healer and your own healing journey. After your own hernia? It sounds like it was an operation. Yes, I had an operation at a young age. Uhhuh. So then I'm guessing that the Chiney song and Cari really helped to restore the healthy blood flow and she flow in your own body in the lower abdominal and pelvic areas.

Exactly, yes. Uhhuh, yes. So that's really wonderful. KKI. So you actually. Your body experienced the benefits of these practices at an early age, and I'm guessing it gave you a better understanding of how to practice on others. Yes, through my experience learning from my body actually. Yeah. Our bodies are the best teachers. So I do wanna so just for the listeners to understand no Karsi, sai ang. So Cari actually refers to the sedimentation, their crystal like sedimentation. In the veins, and these can form really anywhere in the body, but nwa, Cari fo yes. But NWA Cari really focuses on the effects of the sedimentation that affects the genitalia and the pelvis.

And it's really a sensing and releasing of any sedimentation. They could show up as knots, like little lumps or tangles, which restrict the natural movement of organs. And this can affect anything from for a man, it can result in erection issues or unhealthy ejaculate or low libido.

In the female it can affect. Really improper lubrication lack of engorgement of the labia and clitoris. It can affect fertility issues or hormone balance painful sex. And it's really kooky for me, I, the easiest way for me to say it is restoring healthy blood and chief flow.

In the pelvis for healthy genitalia. That's generally how I explain it. Is there something, is there a different way that you explain it? Exactly. Like you, what you were explaining is absolutely yes. Yes. Very well explanation. Oh, good. Good. I'm glad I got it. Yeah, for me that's the easiest way to explain it.

Yeah. And what I really love about. What I learned at your school was how important it is to open the blood and channels in all the organs through opening the eight wind gates and the Dante to make sure there is a space for the toxicity to go. Yeah. I found it really fascinating how, because you start by opening up the blood flow above the pelvis.

Yeah. And then also from below the pelvis with the adductors and the thighs and the femoral artery points. There's a really healthy reservoir body of fresh blood before getting to the massaging the genitalia. Yes. It is just such a wise preparation so that there's a lot of healthy blood and energy to flush open the the sedimentation in the pelvis.

So I wanna ask you, KKI, what are some of the most common reasons that clients come to you? For Cari, for No Cari both for men and for women. Okay. First of course by curiosity, there are some people who want to find out, oh, what is. Yes. Just c and then they got something also, that bring them.

Sure. So it's also to to, to maintain the sexual energy Yes. Sexual ability. Yep. And some woman, prepare to have a baby, yes. Prepare her mass, prepare her body. To get a baby. Woman who, elder woman or middle age woman can't hold you. Urinate. Yes.

And and opposite for demand they can't, they cannot urinate fluently, I see maybe prostate start swollen, yes. Something like that. And yeah. Yeah. And of course they don't say, oh I have a prostate and I want to have this massage. Of course. No, it just, by the massaging you I would feel that, the poster is a bit more swollen than than used usually than the person have difficulty with, for the men. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And of course to soften the skirt to like me, I got the case who he had operation. It's not real operation.

It's, on his peanut, to keep clean, yeah. So it was a circumcision and to keep clean. And after he got when his penis get reaction and it is not really as straight, it is pulling when he get, so he come to massage. And, like what you say, low libido, yes. Low sexual thing. And they want to keep this in the natural way. Kind of natural vitality. Yes. Kook, it sounds like a lot of men will come one out of curiosity, but also sometimes for an unhealthy or enlarged prostate. So they have difficulty urinating, but they don't realize that it's the enlarged prostate that's causing the the trouble with urination.

It also sounds like men will come to increase their vitality and I'm guessing that means increasing the blood flow, the energy, yes. But in Haii, I really caught a man who really. Had, this prostate problem, it's you, you're surprised that so many people don't want to have an the prostate operation, the cancer, they don't want to have an operation, so they yeah, they're looking for yes. Treatment. Treatment in a natural way. Sure. Yeah. It seems to help. Yeah. Yeah. There are so many natural ways to heal and address issues like an enlarged prostate for men or excess heavy bleeding for women.

Here in America, if a woman goes to their doctor and they're bleeding heavily during their period. The doctor will recommend a hysterectomy, an operation to remove the uterus. And I feel like, that's the uterus trying to pump. Usually, often it's the uterus trying to pump old blood stuck to its walls out of the way, and I feel like, practices like Noad, Cari can address these things naturally by increasing the blood flow and resolving these blocks in the organs, whether it's the prostates or testicles for men or the uterus, and any obstructions in the vaginal canal for women. Oh, also, when you talk about uterus for women and also women who have lower back pain Yeah.

Is a coach of uterus, dislocation, so by lift, massaging, or lifting the uterus. It help it, when it, the utero is not extremely dis dislocated. Yes. It help. And you mentioned earlier the nod Cari can support a prolapse bladder as well. I think that's what you meant when you talked about female urination issues.

Yes. Yeah. It really surprised me when I was in your training and we were doing the Karsi for Men and I was partnered with Hayato San. Just, yes, just within two days his blood flow increased significantly. Yes. And it makes so much sense because we're clearing the pathways for the blood to not only move into the genitalia, but really to move into the pelvis from the from the torso as well as from the legs on up.

I'm curious, KKI, I know you guys have a studio in France. Lotus Blanc. Lotus Blanc. Lotus Blanc, yeah. Do you find that the issues that clients come with are different in France than in Thailand? They are not quite different. They are similar. Similar, I must say, in Thailand people come from around the world.

Yes, it's there to eat the massage. But here, there are most of it's only French people, but there are similar problems. Yes. Yes. So the body is the body, no matter what culture it's from. And it's the same issues. So we should let our listeners know that the, there are many causes to the sedimentation, the knots, and the tangles from toxins in our environment toxins in the food we eat.

But kki, would you say that the primary. Reason is emotional toxicity or emotional trauma? I'm not sure if I understand your question. Oh, so I know there are many reasons for the sedimentation and the knots and tangles to occur in the genitalia, really anywhere in the body including toxins in the environment and the food we eat.

But it seems like emotional toxins, repressed anger, fear. Conflict seems to be, the ma Would you say that's the main reason? That is also part of the big thing, Uhhuh. Stress. Stress stress. The negative feeling, your mind's choice or body's choice and what we call stress.

Stress. We keep the stress in the negative way, but yes it really this energy, this yeah this we call stress, energy. It really give us, many blockages in our body. Our minds, our yeah. Life. Sure. Because the body is feeling all of those.

Unexpressed or repressed emotions. And we know that, the body responds by contracting when it's stressed. So the muscles around the nerves or around, so the, the nerves the blood vessels, the circulatory system can all become contracted and that's when the sedimentation, knots and tangles can happen.

Yes. And in Thai we also have we have four elements. We have different elements than Chinese. We have four elements. We have earth, water, wind, fire, for the sexual energy we call it fire. That is a fire element. When we have when we say, when we have lows.

Sexual energy we have in entire words we say phi, it mean you have no fire. No fire like that, no fire. Yeah. Yeah. That is no sexual energy. Your elements in your body is also. Important one of your elements? Out of orders? Yeah. It it gives you problems too. Sure. An imbalance.

Yeah. So it sounds like the no fire is related to the lack of proper blood and chief flow, and I'm guessing that there are emotions that relate with all of these elements. Yes. The earth element, the water element, the wind element. The fire element, yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very deep, and it's such a wise lineage.

And just to let listeners know, the Nsai and the Chine song, the Inner Abdominal Detox, the roots are Daoist, right? They're Daoist ancient practices. The root, if you want to say yes, you can say is ta Yes. Back to the time size, we also called it in traditional time the. The 10 main lines, that line number tens is also there, but only it in my generation, they don't teach me how to touch this area.

That's amazing because I, I, in some of my other trainings, that's like the most important line. That's the, that's line 10 is where the Dante is. I don't want to say yes, and I don't want to say no. And because we also have line 10 okay, I see. Okay. So no. Teacher is, today I don't find Thai teacher who teach me how to work on the really, like that. But I find and uni and Kor, who is them? Specialize in this SAI and they work on this area. Yeah. And I find somehow it connect. Yeah. So they call yes and yeah, that's right. Yeah. At Dow Gardens they emphasize the Daoist, but I see. Yeah. So many of these practices the wisdom comes from different.

Sources. Of course at Dow Gardens they will say it's a Daoist lineage. KKI and I studied so she's referring to Master Montauk Chia where they have Dow Gardens and Kuni who, who is considered like a shaman. She has her own approach as well. KKI, I wanna ask you, during our training, you had told me about experiences like when you and your patient will see the same images as you're releasing toxins from their organs without talking to each other, you will.

See the same images. And you shared an experience of working on a client, a male client, where you saw images of death and suffering of soldiers, and after the session he had the same images. Yes, because to me that speaks to how the practitioner is able to. Feel into the energy and sense the energy of the, of the patient at the same time?

Yes. Can you share other experiences like that if they've happened? Yes. This happen often when the receive really dare to receive Yes. And to feel their bad. Yes. And to feel their body at the same times that when I apply the technique. And that is connect this connects some kind of deeper state of conscious, that we have the same.

Image. Yes. That came often. Yeah. With my patients. And sometimes it'll lost someone, someone in the family is passed away. Yes. And the person still hold, this sadness, this grief Yes. In the body. Without realize that deep stand is still there.

And just once you got this technique of abdominal work and it's touch it. Or I must say free, yeah. The person get the chance to free to let go this, holding thing. Yes. For years. Yes. Yes. So especially when you touch on ab source muscle, often this, show up very deep. Yeah. Wait, which muscle did you say? SOAs muscle. The SOAs. Yes, of course. So muscle. Yes. So the SOAs muscle is known at least in some of the trainings I've been at is known to hold unprocessed traumas and repressed emotions because it's so deep and it's vulnerable. Yes. Many therapists and many massage practitioner avoid touching this area because it's hard to deal with. Yes. That's right. That's right. Yeah. It's hard to deal with because of the unprocessed emotions that are waiting to be freed, but also it's underneath many layers of two it's underneath other layers of muscle, you have to really know how to get to it. Yes. Especially work with bodybuilder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was, I gotta say, I think that was one of the funnest parts of the training for me was getting to the SOAs. The Tibetan culture calls the SOAs Mus the muscle of the soul.

Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's profound. So I feel like what you're speaking to when you talk about touching into the consciousness of the patient and the unprocessed emotions that is waiting to be freed you're really, you've developed such a ability to listen, which with your hands, ability to listen and be present with your touch, that meeting allows.

Of course there's technique, but the safety that you hold and the presence that you bring to it feels like it's very important in freeing those emotions and stagnation. Yes. And the same times you must protect yourself and you must have your boundary when doing this deep healing, when.

Work that you're not so interfere? Yes. Or not to get how you call that to get, you are there touching the person, but the same time you are not in their field, you know you are out of them. Not mixing in their story in, in, in their past or in their. Emotions. Yeah, sure. Natural. Was It's natural.

Yeah. Yeah. Natural and and touching the ground. You must be really grounded. Yeah. So both you and your teachings and Montauk Chi's teachings emphasize the real importance of using the universal life force energy and not your own personal energy. Because exactly what you're speaking to not mix your energy with the client, but to hold a safe, neutral space.

The importance of using, of clearing your energy field before and after sessions. Kookie, have you seen some dangerous things happen when people are using their own personal energy? Yes. Yes. It can drain, it can, you can feel really. Exhorted and sick after, because you're taking on that energy, it's almost like a open container that's taking on the energy, the negative energy of the client.

Yes. Once your energy are different and when client or your receiver have released negative stuff, which is not the same as your, the different. Levels of a wave I call, I must If you don't have the same wave, yes, you'll not get it. If you are in the light and if the darkness is coming out and you are light.

Yes. So there's an emphasis on clearing your energy practices like Qigong and Tai Chi and really connecting to the earth and nature. Exactly. Yeah. Kki, before we end our conversation today. I'm wondering if you can share some advice to our listeners for how we all can keep our reproductive centers healthy with healthy blood and chief flow.

Yes. The first very very simple exercise that you can keep this area healthy. I think most of people know. That is a root lock. Yes. Root lock. Or contract. The pers, yes. Contracted me. You can, men and women you can do anywhere but either sitting or standing, or even talking or cooking or anywhere, yeah. So you just contract. Do as much as you can and every day. And so it's very simple. Yeah, it's very simple and you can do it anywhere. And it makes sure that the the blood flow is healthy and that the muscle of the pelvic floor remains dexterous and healthy as well.

Yes. KI wanted to ask you the line 10, the line going from the belly button to the pubic bone. Yeah. Do you recommend that we. Press into that line to increase the blood flow. Yes. You can do like self massage. Not only on that I call that six o'clock, yes. Not only that place, you can do in general the HIN song, or the, the self massage, the technique. Yes. And you can practice on yourself daily or when you got a chance. Before going to bed, or maybe before you get out of bed in the morning, you can certainly massage your internal intestinal organs feeling for any lumps or bumps and just doing small, loving circles or.

Holding and releasing, but that line from the navel to the pubic bone which we referred to before, it can really increase the blood flow and energy flow into the pelvic floor. Yes, kooky. Kooky is not your real name. How did you get the nickname cookie?

I probably, I like to eat cookies. You like to eat cookies. But today I'm like, I've love cooking today and planting. Yes. But actually in Thai we call cook, just cook. And is I got it from the father of my daughter. He uhhuh, he call me to make it a small, like a cookie. Oh.

Oh, I see. Okay. And your real name is Sani Bunum. But I love Cookie and everybody calls her Cookie. Thank you. Yeah, no, and I think it fits you so well. Kki thank you so much for sharing your journey and your insights and your, just your knowledge with us today. It's really so valuable and so important that we keep our reproductive centers healthy in natural ways that the body responds to.

It's my pleasure. You're welcome. Yeah, and thanks to you. For your interviews. Yes, of course. Kki, thank you again for being with us. And if listeners are curious at all Lloyd Crow massage offers a real wide range of traditional Thai massages from osteo tie to reflexology to the practices we just spoke about the inner abdominal detox massage and the inner genital massage.

Yeah, if you wanna learn more, please visit those sites. Lo Crow massage. Yeah, so that's L-O-I-K-R-O-H massage.com and lo Lotus Blanc cookie. Thank you so much. I hope to thank you. Yeah, I hope to see you again soon. Thank you very much. Very, thank you, Ika.

Notice how this episode is landing in your body.

And if any part of your body is calling for touch, support, or attention, what it feels like to provide this to your body.

If you feel called to explore your senana, the send line 10, it can be self massaged when lying on your back. Simply envision the energy meridian line going from the base of your navel down to the center of your pubic bone. You can explore any points along this line, including the southern most wind gate, about one quarter centimeter below the navel or the dian, about one and a half inches below the navel, or at the other end of the sun line just above your pubic bone center at the indentation point where your pubic bone dips into the soft fleshy part of your lower abdomen.

Simply press into any of these points along the line with one or both index or middle fingers. And when this is done quite deeply, a pulse can often be felt, especially at the Dante end point. And simply hold the point on this line for one to two minutes, then release. Often a fresh flow of blood and cheek can be felt moving along the send line and into the genitalia pelvis.

This can be practiced in bed before sleeping or upon waking, or even during self pleasuring to explore the different arousal and pleasure sensations available when stimulating your chief flow. When doing so. Notice whether there's energy movement that can be felt along the sand line or within your genitalia and pelvis.

After stimulating points along this energy meridian, however subtle or pronounced, and notice how this feels in your body.

In the next episode, we explore the perspective of a western O-B-G-Y-N. My dear friend Dr. Jen Lang, and how her natural birthing experience deeply changed her life and her approach to delivering babies for her clients, and how the holistic approaches to pelvic care we've been exploring in these last episodes can coexist with a Western approach to reproductive care.

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